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lovethekcchiefs- 06-20-2008
Sinus Problems dark-Circles under Eyes.
I have them Big time, My nose still hurts real bad from my Repair surgery I can't wear my glasses/ Sun galsses it is so Hot here in the Ca desert over 102 in the shade I have a cooler on and its 87 in my house AHHHHHHHH thank God for cold water DRINK UP, The ENS is very much still with me . I go see Dr. Grossan in July I hope he can help. Take Care, Sharon( try to stay Pos ++++++) Here's something I found to Share>>>>>>>>>>> Sinus Problems & Circles under Eyes By: Douglas Hoffman Question : I have dark circles under my eyes that I'm told can be caused by sinus problems, which I have. Is there anything that actually works to get rid of these dark circles? I have not been able to find an effective treatment for my sinusitis. J.R. Answer : Dark circles are also called "allergic shiners" due to the fact that they commonly occur in people with allergic rhinitis. "Shiner," in this context, means "black eye." There is a bruised appearance that makes the owner of said shiner appear tired and abused. In a sense, the afflicted individual is tired and abused: She is "beaten up" by her longstanding nasal allergies and/or sinus infections. Allergic shiners look a bit like bruises, but bruises are different. In a bruise, a few capillaries have been disrupted to the point that blood leaks out into the tissues. This blood cannot return to the circulation. The red blood cells eventually die and "spill their contents," some of which is heme, the pigment that gives blood its red color. Heme is slowly broken down into other compounds, and is eventually completely cleared from the tissues. These other compounds are also pigments; this accounts for the many colors of a bruise. In an allergic shiner, we are dealing with an altogether different problem: venous congestion. Remember that there are two circulatory systems for blood: The high-pressure arterial system (oxygen-rich blood pumped out from the heart) and the low-pressure venous system (oxygen-depleted blood returning to the heart). Arterial blood is bright red because when heme binds oxygen, the pigment takes on a bright red color. As heme sheds its oxygen, the structure of the pigment changes in subtle ways, leading to a much darker red color. Veins beneath the skin look blue because the light reflected by these dark red vessels is altered by the overlying skin. Venous circulation is low-pressure; venous blood returns to the heart by fairly passive mechanisms (in contrast to the active function of the heart, which pumps blood at a much higher pressure through the arterial circulation). It doesn't take much to impede the venous circulation. In people with chronic nasal or sinus inflammation, venous blood circulating through tiny vessels in facial skin may have a hard time reaching the larger veins. If you can imagine the swollen tissues of the nasal cavity/sinuses acting as millions of separate tourniquets on these tiny venous channels, you will have a fairly accurate idea of what's going on. Thus, due to sinus/nasal inflammation, venous blood in the facial vessels is impeded in its return to the heart. This is venous congestion -- "congestion" in the same sense as "traffic congestion." When the small vessels in skin become congested with venous blood, the skin takes on a dusky or bluish hue ... thus producing allergic shiners. There's no known treatment for allergic shiners. Aggressive treatment of the underlying condition is clearly helpful, but successful treatment does not always cause the shiners to vanish. Unfortunately, the only sure-fire solution to the problem is the artful use of cosmetics.

JR- 06-21-2008

Very interesting Sharon - thanks for that!!

opal- 06-21-2008

I agree I also have these damn dark circles :!: Has anyone ever tried circle delete? I havent, wonder if this will help sometimes my makeup doesnt even cover the dark circles very well.

TE- 06-21-2008

I can say for sure that since I have ENS I have bags under my eyes, but until now I assumed that it was mainly because of the lack of sleep I suffer from due to ENS. I'm not sure that had I been sleeping well that ENS alone could have caused this...but who knows.... Still, it's the least of my concerns, compared to the other major symptoms I suffer from.

erikavs- 06-24-2008

Same here with the dark circles. I am ridiculously obsessed with my problematic skin, and I asked my excellent dermatologist about this (as well as my fifty other skin problems; I do keep the docs in business). I got botox under my eyes to help with the bags (and crow's feet). The bags are different from the dark circles, by the way, although both come from heredity, muscle droop and fat loss with aging, sinus probs, etc. But the bags can be helped by paralyzing the muscles with botox. The dark circles need to be covered by something to replace the fat that has been lost with age - they are very much enhanced by a facial shadow/crease due to that facial fat loss and drooping. The answer for that is Restylane. I can't believe I still trust doctors after all I've been through, but this is non surgical and a very miniscule amount of filler. Restylane is actually a natural substance - hylauronic acid like found in the body and collagen. Botox of course is not, but it is a tiny amount, and here in NY at her office it is very very affordable now because it is so common. Restylane is still quite expensive, so I will hold out on trying that until I am absolutely haggard and rich. The creams and solutions for under the eyes are useless to solve the problem - moisturizing and using a good antiaging eye cream is always good, but it won't solve or help the bags or circles much. There, you've heard it from the vain one. Please don't judge - being a woman in this society, esp. from a family obsessed by looks, well, it isn't easy and you do what you can to avoid the stress of feeling old and ugly.

TE- 06-24-2008

This is for sure an aspect that is harder on women than on most men. Hey, but you get to live longer... :wink:

opal- 06-24-2008

So let me get this straight i lose fat in my face but i gain it in my butt and stomach............... great.......... :lol:

TE- 06-25-2008

I lose what ever you lose and live less!.... so cheer up! :lol:

erikavs- 06-25-2008

ha! some people actually surgically transfer fat to their face (I suppose the butt would be a great donor site :) If you're fair skinned, all this stuff shows up faster with age, which bites. Reducing stress, prob. including or esp. mental in my case, is going to help, once I can finally achieve that better :)

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