Maximum Healing From Empty Nose Syndrome

[TE]

This post belongs most likely on the acupuncture thread. But the discovery I'm about to inform you about is so important that I think it deserves a new thread.

If you remember, about three weeks ago I posted about self treatment that I began with very thin acupuncture needles (0.16mm) which I inserted on different sinus and nasal regions, where-ever I felt that there was dryness, or congestion, or pain or simply pressure. I told you how I was astonished by how powerful and immediate the effect was, as opposed to different meridian combination that were used over the past 10 months to treat me (which had good impact but were short lived).

What I found out was that contrary to warnings I got from my practitioner about keeping the needles in for too long and to often (as it can exhaust the Qi), which may be true in other areas of the body, in the facial region it's not so much the case and the needles can basically be kept in for as long as one feels one needs. I have to be honest with you that after several hours I would sometimes get a mild head-ache or the dryness used to return and then I would simply know that my body had enough and remover them, but other than that I didn't experience any negative effects. If anything, all my symptoms improved (in particularly the dryness, congestion, pressure, airflow sensation and breathing), with some effect though milder as far as the emptiness is concerned (well of course that's a problem when you have no ITs like me) and I was sleeping quite a lot better, although not perfect yet. The main problem was that I felt I had to leave them in all the time, but you can't really go to bed or go around in public with needles sticking out of your face.



On Sunday I saw my practitioner and asked him what can I do about that. He told me that there is a solution that enables constant stimulation which allows you to function normally without the needles being seen and that it won't wear my energy out because the penetration is very superficial. It's called - acupuncture press needles (see picture). They are really cheap (around $10) for a packet of 100 and you simply apply them where ever you feel you need to around your nose and sinuses (see picture for example and notice how they trace the contours of the maxillary and frontal sinuses) and you can leave it in even for two weeks without a worry.


I have had them in for 3 days now and the best thing is that I have been sleeping like a baby and have no dryness at all. I don't know what will happen when I remove them, but I'm hoping that if I repeat this often enough eventually some permanent improvement will occur, although I don't expect that I will be able to eventually do without it completely. It's the best solution I have tried to date for dryness, congestion and pressure, although it is obviously can't replace the resistance, heating and airflow control I need. But for those who have most of their turbinates intact and mainly suffer from dryness I expect that this might also be a cure if used often enough. I decided not to wait even though I have been using it only for 3 days, because it simply brought me back to life. I don't expect anything negative to develop, the only thing is that I'm not sure how long the benefits can last after say one week of wearing them, but for me it is a very good temporary solution and for many here it may be more than temporary.


(The press needle stickers are marked by a red circle). I began on Sunday with the frontal sinuses areas only and this kept my cheeks free so I didn't have any irritation when lying on my cheek. Today I added the sides of the nose too (the cheek regions - the maxillary sinuses) this strengthened the positive effect but may be a bit too much when going to sleep. if it will irritate too much I will remove the stickers from the cheek areas and leave only the frontal sinuses one (the forehead area).

[BaileyLush]

Great stuff TE. I had these little press needles in my ears for anxiety. Left them in for 3 days, and they seemed to relieve the heart palpitations. I am asking my practioner to stick these on my nasal regions next time I see him

Your sleep has improved to almost normal? Like 7-8 hours? I recall reading that you could get a good 5 hours with the CPAP. If this is even more powerful- amazing! Perhaps you have struck your "magic bullet".

Congrats~
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[TE]

[leogeo]

TE that is awesome. I am happy for you. Are those patches the same as accupressure seeds that you put on the ear? They look similiar. Or do they work different? Are you saying that these patches since they are not traditional needles you dont build up a tolerance to them or am I misunderstanding. So does that mean you stayed in your house for 5 days without going in public?
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[jdog2]

NICE TE!

[TE]

Leogeo,
Just ask a practitioner about them or simply buy them at any shop that sells acupuncture supplies. They are tiny plasters with a very fine head of a needle (about 2mm long) in the middle. And yes you can go out in public with it because it doesn't stick out and simply looks like a small plaster. Of course I don't plan to put so much in the following weeks after I have achieved the initial effect, so unless you go out with many it won't look too weird and it can't really be seen unless someone looks closely at you.
Anyway, my plan is to eventually wear them only to bed.
Another important thing to know is that unless you scrab them when washing they will not fall off when washing your face or having a shower.

BTW leogeo, I think that in your case this treatment could be especially beneficial because you need the maximum and most constant stimulation you can get.

PS:
The ones on my forehead can be seen more clearly because they were wet from washing my face, before I added the others on my maxillary areas. But had they not been wet you could hardly see them.

[leogeo]

I notice you have them all over your forhead. Does that mean you have congestion their as well. I am just looking to stimulate mucosa. If I had moisture I would not feel that congested I think. So I should probably limit to the side of each nose I guess. I also know their is relaxtion point right between the eyebrow and will put one their as well. Maybe I need to get a chart of these points so I can better figure out where to put. Great post!
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[TE]

You will be surprised that you have congestion or pain in areas that you would not have expected to. My strategy is not to put them especially where the known acupoints are, but to simply press hard all over my face and anywhere I felt pain or improvement in the congestion (or even some neural response in the nose) I stuck a press needle there. I found that when stimulating the sinus areas they also work on the nasal cavity itself so there was no need to apply directly on the nose although I think that if you feel like it there too so go for it. I don't think you need to stick to the traditional acupoints only. Simply follow the sensations you get when pressing at different locations. When I did that I was astonished to learn that many places actually hurt and I wasn't even aware of it until I pressed them.
I think that much of the problem is that we don't really have regular congestion that normal people suffer occasionally from, but more like a long lasting kind of edema which causes a more subtle kind of pain. In my case it feels simply as if I have a kind of permanent chill in my sinus bones and lots of stickiness in my nose. All of this has improved a lot with the press needles.

[BaileyLush]

Just ordered some of these bad boys:) Can't wait to try them, given my sleep is suffering pretty bad at the moment.
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[007]

Bailey let us know if you experience similar to TE.
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[TE]

I have got rid of 95% of the congestion and dryness deep inside my nose and my sinuneses feel completely free.

[leogeo]

someone give me a link where to buy these patches?
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[BaileyLush]

[BaileyLush]

Well I got my needles not to long ago, and have been dinking around with them for the last week and a half. So far I am having some mixed results.

The first time I put them in, I just applied them specifically to the exterior of my nose. It felt good initially, and my nose felt more "alive" for awhile. However this effect only lasted like an hour/ an hour and a half. But I left them on the rest of the day and night, just to be sure- but nothing profound happened.

The second and third times I tried it, I put the needles out over by the maxillary sinuses, and also put them underneath my nostrils in points 7 as shown by this diagram-

I hope that comes out big enough to see Anyhow, by extending the range of the needles, I got alot more response. The stimulation was like having someone give me a constant facial massage. It was bizarre, yet nice. I was able to jog more, and felt more capable to take deep breaths.

As far as sleep- I think I am at about the same quality, but this could be because I am withdrawing form Klonopin. Idk. But so far, this does seem promising. I hope it can eventually help my sleep 2- I'm not sure why it hasn't much:C But I would definitely recommend you guys to try it out. Cheap, safe, and easy- what more can we ask for?
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